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[Cycle Concepts]

When classes flat line, they get boring to most.

How many new NHRA Pro Stock teams do you see each year? Not many....

Jason, i agree with what you said for the most part...When one or two teams run away with it, it gets boring and people start to quit...flatlining of a class is not good..So your job as a promoter is to keep the racing fun and fair for all that choose to participate---the best you can...and keep it fun for your fans to come and watch..You do a good job!!

pro stock is boring because they won't embrace technology...nhra pro stock car should have allowed efi years ago and i bet they would have 20-25 cars racing if not more...


But it's kinda hard to compare motorcycle drag racers to car drag racers...for every bike racer there is I bet there is atleast 50 if not more car racers...for every car guy that quits there are racers to fill his spot and the quitter is never missed...let 5 guys quit 10.5 outlaw and you would not notice it...let 5 guys quit prostreet and you are on the verge of loosing the class..Bike racers are far and few in between...you have to be alittle more selective in how you handle bike guys because the foundation is so fragile...

[sportbikeryder]

some peeps just can't afford to do more. what so wrong with a index class for the one that just can't do more 8.70, 8.80, 8.90

Nohing wrong with a class for that....in fact, exactly what you are saying DOES exist and it looks like it will be a hit next year as well, Crazy 8's! Nothing wrong with running that class and you don't have to have much into your bike (at least compared to prostreet). Now, if we can just get that cone moved ....

There seems to be more bikes in prostreet than ever (well, maybe not ever, but at least it is on the up-swing again). Why would you want it to change now, people are ok with 6 seconds. I have posted in the past, a racer will do what it takes to win with whatever rules and limitations there are. If you are born to win, you'll win. Even bigger guys can win if they work at it, pretty much anyone can (within reason). If money is the problem, then bracket race. If you are good enough at bracket racing, more money in the next lane won't beat you.

Just go out and have fun. VERY FEW racers in any class or type of racing make money racing anyway. Work an honest job and spend a few bucks on the weekends to relax and have fun. If you race as a true hobby, it can be almost as entertaining losing first round as having a good day and going rounds.

[Jason Miller]

pro stock is boring because they won't embrace technology...nhra pro stock car should have allowed efi years ago and i bet they would have 20-25 cars racing if not more......

Allowing EFI was presented to the Pro Stock teams by NHRA in the past, but all of the drivers declined.

[BROTHER-N-LAW]

Nohing wrong with a class for that....in fact, exactly what you are saying DOES exist and it looks like it will be a hit next year as well, Crazy 8's! Nothing wrong with running that class and you don't have to have much into your bike (at least compared to prostreet). Now, if we can just get that cone moved ....

There seems to be more bikes in prostreet than ever (well, maybe not ever, but at least it is on the up-swing again). Why would you want it to change now, people are ok with 6 seconds. I have posted in the past, a racer will do what it takes to win with whatever rules and limitations there are. If you are born to win, you'll win. Even bigger guys can win if they work at it, pretty much anyone can (within reason). If money is the problem, then bracket race. If you are good enough at bracket racing, more money in the next lane won't beat you.

Just go out and have fun. VERY FEW racers in any class or type of racing make money racing anyway. Work an honest job and spend a few bucks on the weekends to relax and have fun. If you race as a true hobby, it can be almost as entertaining losing first round as having a good day and going rounds.

Basically you said a mouth full. The guys that are going that slow are not utilizing the rules for real street. Lets face it, superstock bikes are basically stock bikes with minor tricks done to them and they run 8.90s to 9.0s. So they shouldn't be trying to run real street. Crazy 8s is the class for them. Unless they just want to bragg and say "I run real street" but then complain that they can't keep up.

[BROTHER-N-LAW]

YOU must be a baller or just can't read, there r more peeps without alot of money then there r with it, what's so wrong with a class for them. That's why i'm stickin to two wheel speed an other
race close to home. Will be running prostreet an 8.90 an having fun an still have money to pay bills an do thing wit my kids.

No I'm not a baller AND THANK YOU, I READ VERY WELL. And yes I build motors and it doesn't take alot to run those fast #s. Most of the real street bikes are stock crank motors. It is mostly knowing the tune up and having or being a great rider in that class: Example: KT, Hollywood, Jeremy and lil Curtis. These are some of the guys that have more seat time than most anybody in this sport. So if the slow guys feel that they can't keep up, stop complaining and just run another class like crazy 8s or just bracket race. Those don't take any money, just some skill with maybe a little bit of luck.

[Cycle Concepts]

Allowing EFI was presented to the Pro Stock teams by NHRA in the past, but all of the drivers declined.

oh really?!! I heard it was the other way around...The teams wanted but NHRA didn't want to deal with the tech issues of engine management such as traction control and so forth...I heard the issue is back on the table now...I hope fuel injection gets in cause it would help the prostockers when they go to elevation!

[Jason Miller]

Those guys test at MIR all the time, and we discuss things all the time. They want things to stay the same and not change rules all the time.

[Alen Danial]

First off u dont need deep pockets. My bike is a pepsi can with a gen x kit. I am in the top 3 every race. you need knowledge and that comes from sitting home looking at data learning your ecu. The worst thing for the people racing this class is someone helping them. You will NEVER be fast period. If you spend all this money and noone helps u you have no choice but to learn it. you have got to learn your own stuff!!!! How many guys could yank off there ecu and boost controller throw it in the garbage put a new one on blanked out and go fast the same day?? Maybe 10 out of what 40 pst bikes. Seb may be the biggest ****lehead I have ever known but he left me no choice but to learn my stuff. I thank him for that now.

x2 thats the most truthful statement i couldn't agree anymore well said

[Ronnie Mitchell]

First off u dont need deep pockets. My bike is a pepsi can with a gen x kit. I am in the top 3 every race. you need knowledge and that comes from sitting home looking at data learning your ecu. The worst thing for the people racing this class is someone helping them. You will NEVER be fast period. If you spend all this money and noone helps u you have no choice but to learn it. you have got to learn your own stuff!!!! How many guys could yank off there ecu and boost controller throw it in the garbage put a new one on blanked out and go fast the same day?? Maybe 10 out of what 40 pst bikes. Seb may be the biggest ****lehead I have ever known but he left me no choice but to learn my stuff. I thank him for that now.

maybe in should make it out of a gas can then it would not burn up.

[Track Rat]

Nohing wrong with a class for that....in fact, exactly what you are saying DOES exist and it looks like it will be a hit next year as well, Crazy 8's! Nothing wrong with running that class and you don't have to have much into your bike (at least compared to prostreet). Now, if we can just get that cone moved ....

There seems to be more bikes in prostreet than ever (well, maybe not ever, but at least it is on the up-swing again). Why would you want it to change now, people are ok with 6 seconds. I have posted in the past, a racer will do what it takes to win with whatever rules and limitations there are. If you are born to win, you'll win. Even bigger guys can win if they work at it, pretty much anyone can (within reason). If money is the problem, then bracket race. If you are good enough at bracket racing, more money in the next lane won't beat you.

Just go out and have fun. VERY FEW racers in any class or type of racing make money racing anyway. Work an honest job and spend a few bucks on the weekends to relax and have fun. If you race as a true hobby, it can be almost as entertaining losing first round as having a good day and going rounds.

well said John

[xclr82xtc]

how bout that ROA...Woo hoo...


lol

[00zx9]

When someone goes 6.99 two things will happen...

1, The "Quitters" will quit and stay home with their tale between their legs...

2, The "Real Racers" will get excited and be driven more to test more, step up, and be more motivated to hurdle that barrier next.

So... Overall it will seperate the men from the boys, but you cant stop progress. Our nation was built on progress.

When Streetbike Shootout broke in the 7s with Brock 10 years ago, everyone was pumped up, whats the difference now?

Originally Posted by Jason Miller
Gil is going to dominate XTF. Nobody has his budget in that class and he has been at the 10.5 game for a long time. Congrats guys!

If ADRL doesnt start setting rules in their classes they arent going to have many racers left at this pace.

What is the difference between Gill running his numbers in 10.5 and motorcycles running there numbers in pro street?

[Jason Miller]

Originally Posted by Jason Miller
Gil is going to dominate XTF. Nobody has his budget in that class and he has been at the 10.5 game for a long time. Congrats guys!

If ADRL doesnt start setting rules in their classes they arent going to have many racers left at this pace.

What is the difference between Gill running his numbers in 10.5 and motorcycles running there numbers in pro street?

Cause ADRL has no rules at all. Pro Street has a bunch of rules, not at all the same thing.

ADRL has no minimum weight, no restrictions on power adders either. Not the same thing as Pro Street at all. Doesnt matter if you have a 500ci Screw Blower or naturally aspirated motor, or turbo motor, there is no breaks for combos that make less power.

In Pro Street they give turbo 1000cc bikes a 135lb. weight advantage, they give nitrous bikes weight advantage and sliders, and autos to keep up.

Not at all the same philosphy as ADRL. Not knocking ADRL, but it is strictly for the guys with the most money, because they dont help out the lesser combos.

[xclr82xtc]

Cause ADRL has no rules at all. Pro Street has a bunch of rules, not at all the same thing.

ADRL has no minimum weight, no restrictions on power adders either. Not the same thing as Pro Street at all. Doesnt matter if you have a 500ci Screw Blower or naturally aspirated motor, or turbo motor, there is no breaks for combos that make less power.

In Pro Street they give turbo 1000cc bikes a 135lb. weight advantage, they give nitrous bikes weight advantage and sliders, and autos to keep up.

Not at all the same philosphy as ADRL. Not knocking ADRL, but it is strictly for the guys with the most money, because they dont help out the lesser combos.

i love adrl....get in where you fit in.

[7SEC1000]

YOU KNOW FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN ,IF YOU TRY INNOVATION AND THINK OUT OF THE BOX ( AND YOUR NOT ONE OF THE CHOSEN FEW ) YOU GET A HALF OF A PAGE RULE SCRIPTED IN ABOUT YOU.

ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT?