Nos or not on a pst?

[Cycle Concepts]

Whether you use 25lbs w/nos and make 550hp or 35 lbs w/out nos and make the same , you are going to break parts! 550hp is just that 550hp!!!!! All you guys that want nos just want a way to try to run away w/something or get out of spending the money to do it the correct way, Like me/SEB/ Jason/ Richard/ Rob/ and a few others have done.

So all your talk about being fair just went out the window. And you will break more stuff w/nos!! so quite all your Most of the people about this is not even running the class this year

how are you gonna break more parts when you can make the same amount of power at lower boost levels...this is the very same argument that was pitched to allow intercooler in the first place..."We can compete at lower boost levels which allows us to save more parts,etc,etc"..Any builder/tuner that tries to do anything with an engine that doesn't know what they are doing will break parts, period...Every person that has an intercooler has blown a motor or two so these theories about who are gonna break more parts don't hold water...

Ain't nobody trying to runaway with nothing here...These are trying times and the people that care about this sport need to be trying to find ways to keep people in it or it won't be here for any of us to enjoy...$60K to build one of these bikes is outrageous and then the money to maintain it is a double outrageous...Nobody said it was cheap but nobody said that it should only be allowed to be done one way either...

[Jason Miller]

Does this mean Bikes like Dave Norrris's can run the class
1 power adder and a slick vs 2 power adders and a Mickey or other
sounds fare

If they start changing rules, I am 100% for that!

Nitrous bike only (1 power adder) can use slick.
Turbo bikes (2 power adders) must run street tire.

[Jason Miller]

At least that would be fair to the nitrous bikes

[NLRsystems]

how are you gonna break more parts when you can make the same amount of power at lower boost levels...this is the very same argument that was pitched to allow intercooler in the first place..."We can compete at lower boost levels which allows us to save more parts,etc,etc"..Any builder/tuner that tries to do anything with an engine that doesn't know what they are doing will break parts, period...Every person that has an intercooler has blown a motor or two so these theories about who are gonna break more parts don't hold water...

Ain't nobody trying to runaway with nothing here...These are trying times and the people that care about this sport need to be trying to find ways to keep people in it or it won't be here for any of us to enjoy...$60K to build one of these bikes is outrageous and then the money to maintain it is a double outrageous...Nobody said it was cheap but nobody said that it should only be allowed to be done one way either...

As a XXX dealer youd think you would be suggesting its use due to its 19.7 percent o2 content. That in conjunction with its octane rating means a higher knock level . This fuel is approved for use at ama. I picked up 25 horsepower at 6 psi and one would assume the gain would be even more at 25 psi. Doesnt this fuel offer everything your looking for? I dont know as Im not a dealer but since youve tuned your engine on it youd know better the gains at certain boost levels.

How much power does your combination produce at 20 psi?

[Cycle Concepts]

As a XXX dealer youd think you would be suggesting its use due to its 19.7 percent o2 content. That in conjunction with its octane rating means a higher knock level . This fuel is approved for use at ama. I picked up 25 horsepower at 6 psi and one would assume the gain would be even more at 25 psi. Doesnt this fuel offer everything your looking for? I dont know as Im not a dealer but since youve tuned your engine on it youd know better the gains at certain boost levels.

How much power does your combination produce at 20 psi?

440...and what does that have to do with the price of eggs in New York? XXX has to promote their product, not me...the customers that walk into my shop are the ones I push XXX to because I can profit off the sale after all the talking and I can show them the before and after results on the dyno...telling someone in Kansas how good it is does nothing for me..and since you picked up 25 hp at 6psi you would think the power output trend would hold pretty close to that throughout the entire boost range? why did you go back to c16? and to add to that you are correct I did tune and I'm not telling everyone that wants to use something else that I spend the money on injectors and ignition that they should be allowed to do it with something that cost less than the route I went...there are plenty of ways to achieve the same goal and they should be explored..

[NLRsystems]

440...and what does that have to do with the price of eggs in New York? XXX has to promote their product, not me...the customers that walk into my shop are the ones I push XXX to because I can profit off the sale after all the talking and I can show them the before and after results on the dyno...telling someone in Kansas how good it is does nothing for me..and since you picked up 25 hp at 6psi you would think the power output trend would hold pretty close to that throughout the entire boost range? why did you go back to c16? and to add to that you are correct I did tune and I'm not telling everyone that wants to use something else that I spend the money on injectors and ignition that they should be allowed to do it with something that cost less than the route I went...there are plenty of ways to achieve the same goal and they should be explored..

Dwayne, it was a simple question based on the fact that since you are a dealer you know more about the fuel than I do thats all. Quit being so defensive. As far as the 25 hp thru the boost range would go I would think it would be dependent on how you tune the engine dont you? As boost comes up so does compression and power so I would think if I were tuning the engine it would make more than 25 hp at 25 psi as an example.

I tested XXX for them. I have always run c16 as with any of the non intercooled bikes I tuned.

Your okay with alchy but that will incur a different fuel pump, new injectors, stronger ignition so Im not sure how this will save people money either.

Just some thoughts.

[Cycle Concepts]

Dwayne, it was a simple question based on the fact that since you are a dealer you know more about the fuel than I do thats all. Quit being so defensive. As far as the 25 hp thru the boost range would go I would think it would be dependent on how you tune the engine dont you? As boost comes up so does compression and power so I would think if I were tuning the engine it would make more than 25 hp at 25 psi as an example.

I tested XXX for them. I have always run c16 as with any of the non intercooled bikes I tuned.

Your okay with alchy but that will incur a different fuel pump, new injectors, stronger ignition so Im not sure how this will save people money either.

Just some thoughts.

I'm not defensive and if I come across as such, just ignore it because I'm not trying to be...

There is only so much money you can save a racer because the level of competition will continue to rise...and with that being said, are the current racers and future racers just suppose to settle for today and not be able to push the envelope in different ways...Everybody can't afford your setup or RCC's but that shouldn't be the end of the story...There are ways to get other setups in the mix and they don't give an advantage to those choosing to use them..If your are in this for the long haul you should see my point...

[Steve Jester]

Hey Seb when i drag your a$$ several times in Valdosta without an intercooler is this gonna hurt the quest for nos??

[NLRsystems]

[Steve Jester]

The rookie laughs at me

[eddiewho]

Steve your fucxed up in the head. Someone needs to get him some help. O and just so everbody knows. This guy blows up ever thing he drives not just his bike NEVER LET HIM drive nothing of yours. Even a work van. RIGHT STEVE. 2 in 2 days

[Steve Jester]

on the edge thats how we roll

[Steve Jester]

Who is having probs with intake temps to the point that they are burning up motors? If ya want a change u gotta speak up

[TunerRacer]

Wow i leave for a couple of days and this post goes from vote/discussion to out of control?? We have cry babies calling everybody else cry babies. We have people not even in the class with opinions and the majority of the class building or having bikes who want it not posting cause they don't want to argue about piddly ****. Where else can you get 5 pages of BS over nothing. Gotta love our Psychobike!!


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[NLRsystems]

Who is having probs with intake temps to the point that they are burning up motors? If ya want a change u gotta speak up