My Pro Street bike

[NLRsystems]

I say the two bikes could have the same amount of O2 in that situation if it was direct port nitrous (likely not a good choice in this application) and the boost pressure is measured at the intake manifold. :-)

Still think they should let nitrous fly. Also should open up the fuel to alcohol based fuel if desired.

the amount of o2 in the cylinder will be greater with nitrous no matter where we put the nozzle.

[sportbikeryder]

the amount of o2 in the cylinder will be greater with nitrous no matter where we put the nozzle.

If the boost pressure is measured at the manifold, after the intercooler, wouldn't there be a density increase at the same boost pressure on the intercooled bike that did not happen with the non intercooled bike, if the nozzle was placed in the head? I am not saying it would necessarily be wise to do it that way, but, if it was direct port, there could feasibly be more O2 in the cylinder with an intercooler than with a small shot of spray.

[NLRsystems]

Just by the intercooling effect of nitrous will make the air density about the same as an intercooled setup and this is why you pick up so much even with a little shot. THEN the additional oxygen that a intercooled bike doesnt have is also there to create more power. THEN the complete elimination of any turbo lag gives it another advantage. THEN the weight savings over a intercooled bike gives it another advantage. THEN being able to add as much power as you like and being able to get intake temps down in the 70 degree range that rivals a ice cooler without the weight of a ice cooler gives it a major advantage .

These are some of the reasons you dont see racing organizations allow the use of nitrous and a turbo together.


You guys want to make a change? Manage your power better.

We put down power in places you cannot...end of story. How else do you explain Walters 206.54 at 28 psi?

[David Annas]

Seb how much boost did it take to net the 7.15 u can pm if u like.

[keith1143]

[quote=TunerRacer;277654]Did you think bout what you just said?? I guess we should outlaw intercoolers then cause that just killed the 1000's in the class??? 600hp is 600hp, what does it being nitrous have to do with it besides it's affordable????





What happened to that XXX fuel you spoke so highly about? Thought you would be able to make some CRAZY power with that! But you want to add Nos into the combo's and you will see alot more motor failures! Yes you can run less boost with Nos but you know as well as i do, Most people will still run the same amount and try to push it just like they do now!


Like SEB said people need to manage they're power better!! It's not how much power you make but how you apply it. Can not wait to try out what i learned at Indy about my bike at ATCO and Norwalk!


Oh and intercoolers are NOT MULTIPLE POWER ADDERS LIKE NOS!!

[Shybear]

[quote=keith1143;277748]

Did you think bout what you just said?? I guess we should outlaw intercoolers then cause that just killed the 1000's in the class??? 600hp is 600hp, what does it being nitrous have to do with it besides it's affordable????





What happened to that XXX fuel you spoke so highly about? Thought you would be able to make some CRAZY power with that! But you want to add Nos into the combo's and you will see alot more motor failures! Yes you can run less boost with Nos but you know as well as i do, Most people will still run the same amount and try to push it just like they do now!


Like SEB said people need to manage they're power better!! It's not how much power you make but how you apply it. Can not wait to try out what i learned at Indy about my bike at ATCO and Norwalk!


Oh and intercoolers are NOT MULTIPLE POWER ADDERS LIKE NOS!!

if its not a power adder, Then why do you have one? if it is not a performance gain, then put it on the back of the bike and move the rad too the front of the bike...

[TunerRacer]

[quote=keith1143;277748]

Did you think bout what you just said?? I guess we should outlaw intercoolers then cause that just killed the 1000's in the class??? 600hp is 600hp, what does it being nitrous have to do with it besides it's affordable????





What happened to that XXX fuel you spoke so highly about? Thought you would be able to make some CRAZY power with that! But you want to add Nos into the combo's and you will see alot more motor failures! Yes you can run less boost with Nos but you know as well as i do, Most people will still run the same amount and try to push it just like they do now!


Like SEB said people need to manage they're power better!! It's not how much power you make but how you apply it. Can not wait to try out what i learned at Indy about my bike at ATCO and Norwalk!


Oh and intercoolers are NOT MULTIPLE POWER ADDERS LIKE NOS!!

You must have thought you were quoting someone else?? I liked the people and it did make more power then 16 at Sebs, but a replacement for intercoolers or nitrous? You must have been talking to someone else??
People won't push it anymore then they would now, you can only use so much. It comes back to the reality that 600 is 600. intercooler, multiple power adder, it doesn't matter as you said controlling it is where the et is at. Guaranteed people will hurt less parts with the nitrous then 40 psi of boost without it?? It's not likely anyone is going to put a 100 shot on top of 40psi, they wouldn't be able to use it.
Good luck at Atco and Norwalk, I'm hoping to see you in the finals again!!!
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[keith1143]

[quote=Shybear;277765]

if its not a power adder, Then why do you have one? if it is not a performance gain, then put it on the back of the bike and move the rad too the front of the bike...

If you know so much! why don't you build your bike and come race!!! And quite key board racing

[THE OUTLAW]

Intercooling is not a power adder because it doesn't add anything it improves the quality of the incoming charge. Nitrous ADDS o2 and additional fuel to feed that o2. An intercooler is no more an additional power adder than a bigger set of cams or a ported head. All three make the motor a more efficient o2 pump they don't artificially add more o2. Seb is right on the money about managing power, he went a 2.37 back half I believe on his 15 pass. I don't believe anyone else has ever gone into the 30's in the back half in pst thats managing power.

[Shybear]

Intercooling is not a power adder because it doesn't add anything it improves the quality of the incoming charge. Nitrous ADDS o2 and additional fuel to feed that o2. An intercooler is no more an additional power adder than a bigger set of cams or a ported head. All three make the motor a more efficient o2 pump they don't artificially add more o2. Seb is right on the money about managing power, he went a 2.37 back half I believe on his 15 pass. I don't believe anyone else has ever gone into the 30's in the back half in pst thats managing power.

Well, would an intercooler be an additional performance gain? I . don't know thats y im asking

[Steve Jester]

I don't see what all the whining is for? It is power management. How much boost does mike slow (yea I said slow)haha) run to go a teen versus seb I would guess 5-6 more psi down track. We just can manage power beter than him.I know when I stop burnin motors up I will go teens my front half is more than quik enough.

[keith1143]

I don't see what all the whining is for? It is power management. How much boost does mike slow (yea I said slow)haha) run to go a teen versus seb I would guess 5-6 more psi down track. We just can manage power beter than him.I know when I stop burnin motors up I will go teens my front half is more than quik enough.

You are back!!!

[NLRsystems]

[quote=Shybear;277765]

if its not a power adder, Then why do you have one? if it is not a performance gain, then put it on the back of the bike and move the rad too the front of the bike...

Why should he do that? He spent the time and the money to build a bike that is legal. You want him to pull them off because you dont have any? LOL!!! Common man...if you want intercoolers on your bike call me and Ill put them on there.

[NLRsystems]

[quote=TunerRacer;277768]

You must have thought you were quoting someone else?? I liked the people and it did make more power then 16 at Sebs, but a replacement for intercoolers or nitrous? You must have been talking to someone else??
People won't push it anymore then they would now, you can only use so much. It comes back to the reality that 600 is 600. intercooler, multiple power adder, it doesn't matter as you said controlling it is where the et is at. Guaranteed people will hurt less parts with the nitrous then 40 psi of boost without it?? It's not likely anyone is going to put a 100 shot on top of 40psi, they wouldn't be able to use it.
Good luck at Atco and Norwalk, I'm hoping to see you in the finals again!!!
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You are absolutely crazy thinking they will hurt less parts with nitrous in the mix. I cant believe you said that?

[Shybear]

[quote=NLRsystems;277958]

Why should he do that? He spent the time and the money to build a bike that is legal. You want him to pull them off because you dont have any? LOL!!! Common man...if you want intercoolers on your bike call me and Ill put them on there.

Hey man im just giving yo boy keith a hard time...people that really know me know that I don't know what the hell im talking about...lol...this is just an expensive hobby for me...pm me a price on the inter-cooler set up...I do understand that its all in managing the power and how it is applied

oh and it was nice meeting you at the Rock