My Pro Street bike

[Cycle Concepts]

well they could have one fabricated up and fit into the rules. In regards to the second part of the statement too bad. Nobody forced them to work with whom they are working with or what to put on their bike, its their money. If they wanted an intercooler and the person refused to do it then they should have gone somewhere else.

Nobodies fault but their own. The rules are set and do not need to be changed. You want to drop your intake temps then put a intercooler that is legal on your bike.

Once again..my phone number is 334-741-7100 :)

i guess that could have been said about the headlight rule as well..Don't worry Seb, those that would want you to build them a bike with an intercooler now will still want you to build them a bike with a intercooler later...I don't see it as a rule change but as a rule removal!!

[Shybear]

Hey guys I'm really new to all of this and I would like to understand this... Why wouldn't an intercooler be concidered as a 2nd power with the use of a turbo? by adding a small amount of N20 to cool the intake air be the same as an intercooler cooling the intake air or is it totally different? If there is a way of cooling the charge without a real performance gain, why not let n2o be an option for this...:bumping:

[NLRsystems]

i guess that could have been said about the headlight rule as well..Don't worry Seb, those that would want you to build them a bike with an intercooler now will still want you to build them a bike with a intercooler later...I don't see it as a rule change but as a rule removal!!

could have ...my headlight was completely legal as the rules are and so are the bikes I build. Rule doesn't need to be removed. Im not worried....about building bikes for anyone. I have my clientele.

[NLRsystems]

Hey guys I'm really new to all of this and I would like to understand this... Why wouldn't an intercooler be concidered as a 2nd power with the use of a turbo? by adding a small amount of N20 to cool the intake air be the same as an intercooler cooling the intake air or is it totally different? If there is a way of cooling the charge without a real performance gain, why not let n2o be an option for this...:bumping:

An intercooler does not introduce extra o2 into the engine as nitrous does. Nitrous oxide carries its own o2 molecules which can be used to produce more power. If you spray nitrous into a turbocharged engine you are introducing more o2 than is available in the air being taken in by the turbo. This is why its considered a power adder.

make sense?

If not...

your bike- turbo- nitrous.
my bike- turbo/intercooled

your bike and my bikes turbos at 30 psi compress the same amount of air, which has X amount of o2.

my bike has a intercooler that this air has to go thru which strips heat from this compressed air making it a denser charge. Still the same amount of o2.

Your bike with the same amount of o2 sprays nitrous which ADDS more o2 into the mix. Thus you will have more o2 then I do because you are adding it artificially from a bottle.

[Alen Danial]

is this to big for my bike?

[sportbikeryder]

An intercooler does not introduce extra o2 into the engine as nitrous does. Nitrous oxide carries its own o2 molecules which can be used to produce more power. If you spray nitrous into a turbocharged engine you are introducing more o2 than is available in the air being taken in by the turbo. This is why its considered a power adder.

make sense?

If not...

your bike- turbo- nitrous.
my bike- turbo/intercooled

your bike and my bikes turbos at 30 psi compress the same amount of air, which has X amount of o2.

my bike has a intercooler that this air has to go thru which strips heat from this compressed air making it a denser charge. Still the same amount of o2.

Your bike with the same amount of o2 sprays nitrous which ADDS more o2 into the mix. Thus you will have more o2 then I do because you are adding it artificially from a bottle.

I say the two bikes could have the same amount of O2 in that situation if it was direct port nitrous (likely not a good choice in this application) and the boost pressure is measured at the intake manifold. :-)

Still think they should let nitrous fly. Also should open up the fuel to alcohol based fuel if desired.

[TunerRacer]

I say the two bikes could have the same amount of O2 in that situation if it was direct port nitrous (likely not a good choice in this application) and the boost pressure is measured at the intake manifold. :-)

Still think they should let nitrous fly. Also should open up the fuel to alcohol based fuel if desired.

Either would be fine, 600hp with a turbo and nitrous or 600 intercooled is 600. One just cost a bit more then the other. But i believe there should be choice for safer hp levels.

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[chris horoho]

E85 or E100 would be sweet to be able to use
and cost a whole lot less

[Shybear]

Either would be fine, 600hp with a turbo and nitrous or 600 intercooled is 600. One just cost a bit more then the other. But i believe there should be choice for safer hp levels.

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Hey walter, when you went 206mph last yr. how much boost were you running? also, do you have any kind of way that you cooled your charge? (intake) just curious...

Seb, thanks for your explaination on how n2o works...

[keith1143]

If NOS is made legal just change the class to outlaw! I do not think NOS on a 1300+cc should be made legal! Then the little 1000's would never have a chance! With the way the rules are now a 1000 can compete.

[Shybear]

Ok, even even if Nitrous is a second power adder, what difference would it really make? It still would come down to the street tire. It will only be able to handle so much power! I would rather spend my money on blowing tires away, than Blowing up motors to try and keep up with the compition...

600 hp is the same no mater how you look at it, rather it be intercooled or nitrous...you still have to deal with track conditions and a street tire...(maybe this is where the R.O.A. will come into play)

Maybe the class could pick up more sponsors with allowing nitrous, since some of the nitrous bikes are coming back to the class...who knows, maybe some one will step up, bc I know having these expensive azz management systems isn't payin ish!

[Shybear]

If NOS is made legal just change the class to outlaw! I do not think NOS on a 1300+cc should be made legal! Then the little 1000's would never have a chance! With the way the rules are now a 1000 can compete.

Turbo's aren't allowed in outlaw!!! My rider/Tuner went to fast and got turbo's banned! So why would you name it Outlaw if they allow n2o?

[TunerRacer]

If NOS is made legal just change the class to outlaw! I do not think NOS on a 1300+cc should be made legal! Then the little 1000's would never have a chance! With the way the rules are now a 1000 can compete.

Did you think bout what you just said?? I guess we should outlaw intercoolers then cause that just killed the 1000's in the class??? 600hp is 600hp, what does it being nitrous have to do with it besides it's affordable????

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[TunerRacer]

Ok, even even if Nitrous is a second power adder, what difference would it really make? It still would come down to the street tire. It will only be able to handle so much power! I would rather spend my money on blowing tires away, than Blowing up motors to try and keep up with the compition...

600 hp is the same no mater how you look at it, rather it be intercooled or nitrous...you still have to deal with track conditions and a street tire...(maybe this is where the R.O.A. will come into play)

Maybe the class could pick up more sponsors with allowing nitrous, since some of the nitrous bikes are coming back to the class...who knows, maybe some one will step up, bc I know having these expensive azz management systems isn't payin ish!

You are correct!!
I ran the 206 with 28 psi and no intercoolers or nitrous assisted water injection, nothing but boost.

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[Cycle Concepts]

this is a good debate now!!!