New all-motor AM/X class at MIRock-Prelim Rules

[popeye]

Sounds like good class to blow the dust off all the old outdated grudge bikes that's been sitting.

[richard gadson]

phil, i think you should make a poll on who likes the 2.62 rules vs. the way i had it.

[BBCorvette18Punk]

phil, i think you should make a poll on who likes the 2.62 rules vs. the way i had it.

The 2.62 rule is interesting I wonder how fast a 1397 is at 533lbs.

So what will be the ruling on Hybrids? None allowed or will hybrids fall under the busa rules since its a busa powerplant?

[Team Madness]

Question can a 14 make the hp of a busa?

[show2ime]

Question can a 14 make the hp of a busa?

It should..they make more stock than a busa. If not u may have to build a busa..

[BBCorvette18Punk]

Question can a 14 make the hp of a busa?

If they are the same displacement why wouldn't they make close to the same HP? you would have to have comparable head work. I thought the only reason the 14's aren't big in the all motor scene was cause you can't build a 14 as big as a busa. But if you have the the new 12r at 1441 your minimum weight would be 550. I dunno how hard it would be to get a 14 that light

[Team Madness]

Only reason I asked it's because the busas have way more years of R&D than the 14s thats all

[money maker]

phil, i think you should make a poll on who likes the 2.62 rules vs. the way i had it.

Rich i gotta say i really liked it the way you had it

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[BROTHER-N-LAW]

Well my opinion is that I don't really like the rules that Phil has proposed so far. There will be way too many different combos and it leaves room for people to cheat. And at these current rules, the big guys will struggle. Rich's rules were simple, and could be easily adjusted with weight as the season went on. So with Phil's current proposal, I wouldn't consider running or building a bike for the class.

[Profile]

Richard,BNL and Money maker what part. about the 2.62 rule you don't like?

[Cycle Concepts]

Well my opinion is that I don't really like the rules that Phil has proposed so far. There will be way too many different combos and it leaves room for people to cheat. And at these current rules, the big guys will struggle. Rich's rules were simple, and could be easily adjusted with weight as the season went on. So with Phil's current proposal, I wouldn't consider running or building a bike for the class.

you can cheat either way you go...the only way to keep people from cheating is to have random tear downs...for example: some body builds a 1600+cc package and run it at the 560lb weight and can run let's say a tenth faster than the rest of the legit 1570's at 560lb...but they don't really run it out the back door sorta speak...they only go as fast as they really need to go to keep it close and not really draw any attention to themselves...You ask how would they do that??? Simply by having different timing maps in the ecu..it would take some time to figure out exactly what timing a given combo would need to make X amount of power and run X et's and it wouldn't be crazy money to have 3-5 flashed ecu's in the trailer with different ignition maps to accomplish this small task..My point to this is that if a cheat wants to cheat, it doesn't matter what set of rules are used, they both leave areas to "cheat"...just saying..

[blackbike]

I HOPE RICHS IDEAS WORK SO I CAN GET IN WHERE I FIT IN AND GUESS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS CLASS COULD STILL BE GOOD FOR AFTERDARK IF THEY HAVE A NICE SPRAY SET UP THEY CAN STILL SET UP A RACE WITHOUT ALOT OF CHANGES SO IF THEY WORK IT OUT IT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE BEST CLASSES SO FAR AND NOT FOR NOTHING YOU GUYS INVOLVED DESERVE ALOT OF CREDIT BECAUSE ITS ALOT OF RESEARCH AND TIME TO GET THINGS AS EVEN AS CAN BE TO START WITH AND SHIT RICHARD YOU MIGHT OF FOUND ANOTHER CAREER BESIDES JUST RACING (PUBLIC RELATIONS).

[rcrecovery]

Well both sets of rules have good and bad but if there serious they got to start somewhere. The seco.second set definitely seem more affordable to me . If i can go to mirock and actually get in a class is what i want to do. Pay try and qualify and have fun also. But there seems to be more options opens with these rules

[sportbikeryder]

Ths only real differences I see between the two currently are the slight differences in displacement. With the MIRock proposed rules, a 1572 would weigh in right at 600lbs. 1535 would be 585lbs and a 1507, 575lbs.
620 lbs would be 1624cc in the MIRock proposal versus unlimited in Richard's.

The 2" versus 3" ground clearance has already been beat to death for MIRock....if it is a class, it is going to be 3"gc for MIRock.

[Profile]

you can cheat either way you go...the only way to keep people from cheating is to have random tear downs...for example: some body builds a 1600+cc package and run it at the 560lb weight and can run let's say a tenth faster than the rest of the legit 1570's at 560lb...but they don't really run it out the back door sorta speak...they only go as fast as they really need to go to keep it close and not really draw any attention to themselves...You ask how would they do that??? Simply by having different timing maps in the ecu..it would take some time to figure out exactly what timing a given combo would need to make X amount of power and run X et's and it wouldn't be crazy money to have 3-5 flashed ecu's in the trailer with different ignition maps to accomplish this small task..My point to this is that if a cheat wants to cheat, it doesn't matter what set of rules are used, they both leave areas to "cheat"...just saying..