New all-motor AM/X class at MIRock-Prelim Rules

[money maker]

I have seen bikes add 30lbs of ballast up front and run faster than without it...

and with the 2.62 rule we're going to let him have another 78 cc's

[BROTHER-N-LAW]

both sets of rules have there pros and cons but the 2.62 rule with my set up i would be running a 1441 ok and the heavy guy with my same chassis nothing fancy would be 15??? so they would have more cc than the light guys so the only thing i see wrong is the 1k guys as in heavy rider on 1k maxed out but from what i have seen there not slow. so my question is this rich has a min wieght and can go xbig mir has a 2.62 to cc limit these bikes might be a little slower overall but seems to level it out a bit more . tech seems like it would be harder but if you get a rider on a small set up running over people then they can see if there plain fast or cheating. i am not for carbs or standalones but i can get passed all that because there still limited by fuel and wieght . i am wanting this class to happen and planning on being apart of it but either way i am going with what i got and spend my$$ on track time and just see how fast i can go with out all the crazy stuff and hopefully it will just make it down the track.

Most people don't really understand how this works. The number Phil is trying to hit is 7.70s. A 200lb+ guy is not going to go 7.70s on a 15 what ever motor. The torque factor comes into play with the bigger guys.

[richard gadson]

rich is the one who said 380lbs bike and 180lbs rider IIRC

correct. i did say that. under my rules i wanted to move the weight up from 560 to 580 or so. because a fuel injected busa CAN get to 580, but it will cost a lot. i dont even know if it could be done with back brakes and all. but i didnt want a 180 pound man to struggle to make weight. so i was gonna move it up to 580 or so with a 1570cc motor. and under phil's set of rules, that same 1570 has to be 600. so after thinking about it, its not that much different

[mrbdas]

Better then that a 245 plus is screw

Most people don't really understand how this works. The number Phil is trying to hit is 7.70s. A 200lb+ guy is not going to go 7.70s on a 15 what ever motor. The torque factor comes into play with the bigger guys.

[BBCorvette18Punk]

and with the 2.62 rule we're going to let him have another 78 cc's

No because the minimum weight for the 2.62 rule is different. A super light rider and bike combo will be able to abuse ballast rules no matter what but with riches rule the get to be lighter and have bigger motors.

Most people don't really understand how this works. The number Phil is trying to hit is 7.70s. A 200lb+ guy is not going to go 7.70s on a 15 what ever motor. The torque factor comes into play with the bigger guys.

a big guy is going to have to build a big motor and lite chassis to be competitive no matter the rules

[money maker]

What is min weight for the 2.62 rule. Maybe there should be a rule on the amount of ballest allowed.

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[money maker]

And if u have to tech everyones bore why not allow a billet block. It will help big guys get the cc's without a gangster crank

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[BBCorvette18Punk]

What is min weight for the 2.62 rule. Maybe there should be a rule on the amount of ballest allowed.

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460 is what I read IIRC. So a 1397 could weigh 533, 1441 at 550, 1507 at 575, 1572 at 600. Etc

[money maker]

460 is what I read IIRC. So a 1397 could weigh 533, 1441 at 550, 1507 at 575, 1572 at 600. Etc

So what keeps a 500 lb combo from adding 33lbs of ballast and running a 1441

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[Profile]

460 is what I read IIRC. So a 1397 could weigh 533, 1441 at 550, 1507 at 575, 1572 at 600. Etc

Don't forget about them 1000, They can 5×6 at 475 SMH

[BBCorvette18Punk]

So what keeps a 500 lb combo from adding 33lbs of ballast and running a 1441

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Well your total weight is 533 so that would be a 1397 to run a 1441 they would have to be 550.

[Jonh Doe]

So a lil rider at 560 lbs can only run a 1441.And everyone thinks thats fair against a 600lb package with a 1571motor?

[Chopper12]

I dont have a bike for this class and maybe I missed something if I did sorry for this question but how r u going to let standalones but no autos dont make sense like I said I might have missed something

[Big Rob]

I will run a 1640 @ 630-640 lbs and run with the lil folks, bet my 60' is in the mid teens and will be right with em from the drop of the lights.
I ran 8.3s @ 67" with a 1507 weighing 265 suited.....
I ain't worried about the dang rules let's make em and do this shit.
I am cool with both rules......whatever
I think I can run 7.6-7.7 with either rules.....let's get it.

[show2ime]

No No No!!! Rich's rules are fine. 1 class. If one of the weight classes is running away with it, just add weight to slow them down. That's it. Just like they do in Pro stock.

He wins because he leaves first. He wad a bike gone most of the time and they arent 20 lbs apart.