OUTLAW/PROSTREET @ TGF???

[money maker]

A weight minimum would definitely make a 230 lb guy feel like he has a chance

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[WANTSUMSAKI]

I THINK I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK HERE WITH SOME VERY BASIC SIMPLE RULES.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME IF I MAKE RULES, THEN IT'S NOT A TRUE OUTLAW CLASS.
WELL I DON'T KNOW ANY ORGANIZATION THAT HAS EVER RAN A CLASS WITH ABSOLUTELY NO RULES.
BUT I THINK WITH A SINGLE "WEIGHT MINIMUM" RULE, THAT WOULD BE AS NO RULES RACING AS IT GETS!!!

ALEX HUGHES

[TunerRacer]

LET ME EXPLAIN AN EXAMPLE SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I MEAN.

EX: ALEX HUGHES 145LB SUITED + AVERAGE GSXR 1K 400LBS= 545LBS

SUPERDAVE 180LBS SUITED+AVERAGE GSXR 1K 400LBS=580LBS

IF THE GSXR 1K WIEGHT MINIMUM WAS 550LBS, I WOULD HAVE TO ADD 5LBS TO MY BIKE, AND SUPERDAVE COULD LIGHTEN HIS BIKE BY 30LBS.
NOW IF KNOW A CUT UP 1K CAN GET AS LIGHT AS 315LBS, SO THERES PLENTY OF WEIGHT THAT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY.

HOPE THAT HELPS EXPLAIN HOW THAT MAKES IT FAIR.

ALEX HUGHES

makes sense, works for me. The average rider is 180 suited, the average Busa 460 so round a minimum of 640? Perfect, my bike weighs 440 so i'll put you on my bike and 55lbs in the nose. I'm up for that, oughta really fly then!!

The only actual fair way to do this is like real street by rider weight. Same initial tech but on people scale instead of bike. If you had 30+ entries tech would get a little harder but 5-10 would be pretty easy i would think??

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[g---mall]

rider weight will even the playing field and most likely more entries/more racing,less bitching.... setups (bike wheelbase) would be dependent on rider weight

[WANTSUMSAKI]

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS MAKING EVERYONE CHANGE THEIR ENTIRE BIKE SETUPS JUST FOR THIS CLASS.
WITH A RIDER WEIGHT = WHEELBASE, THAT MAKES PEOPLE CHANGE THIER SETUPS TO MUCH.
WHICH I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THIER ENTIRE SETUPS TO RUN ONE CLASS.

I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH A TOTAL WEIGHT MINIMUM (BIKE AND RIDER) AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
IF SOMEONE IS CLEARLY DOMINATING THE CLASS, THEN I WILL START TO MAKE RULE CHANGES TO EVEN THE FIELD.

ALEX HUGHES

[Moody]

changing setup for a class? isnt that how its suppose to work? change the bike to fit the rules, or change the rules to fit the bikes?

[GBUSA(G.Sanders)]

[teezy]

MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS MAKING EVERYONE CHANGE THEIR ENTIRE BIKE SETUPS JUST FOR THIS CLASS.
WITH A RIDER WEIGHT = WHEELBASE, THAT MAKES PEOPLE CHANGE THIER SETUPS TO MUCH.
WHICH I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THIER ENTIRE SETUPS TO RUN ONE CLASS.

I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH A TOTAL WEIGHT MINIMUM (BIKE AND RIDER) AND THEN GO FROM THERE.
IF SOMEONE IS CLEARLY DOMINATING THE CLASS, THEN I WILL START TO MAKE RULE CHANGES TO EVEN THE FIELD.

ALEX HUGHES

maybe heavier bikes/combos can get the back tire.... I think the class would be larger if the bigger guys had some advantages.

[Big Rob]

If most of the class is big boys just make it geared for them......
HH rules make em be 240 in shorts.
The fairest way to make this work for racers is rider weight.

[WANTSUMSAKI]

maybe heavier bikes/combos can get the back tire.... I think the class would be larger if the bigger guys had some advantages.

WHY WOULD YOU GUYS WANT AN ADVANTAGE?
WHAT HAPPENED TO FAIR RACES, SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE WANTS A FAVORED RACE NOW A DAYS.....
I DON'T WANT TO RACE SOMEONE KNOWING I ALWAYS HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.
IF YOUR 250LBS ON A 340LB BIKE, AND I'M 150LBS ON A 440LB BIKE, WHY WOULD YOU NEED AN ADVANTAGE??
THAT WOULD BE A DEAD EVEN RACE.

ALEX HUGHES

[Moody]

WHY WOULD YOU GUYS WANT AN ADVANTAGE?
WHAT HAPPENED TO FAIR RACES, SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE WANTS A FAVORED RACE NOW A DAYS.....
I DON'T WANT TO RACE SOMEONE KNOWING I ALWAYS HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.
IF YOUR 250LBS ON A 340LB BIKE, AND I'M 150LBS ON A 440LB BIKE, WHY WOULD YOU NEED AN ADVANTAGE??
THAT WOULD BE A DEAD EVEN RACE.

ALEX HUGHES

He wrong! He who cuts the better light wins...

[Moody]

To help level the playing field and increase bike entries there will have to have some type of weight rule. I know for a fact there is a lot of heavy riders that got good jobs and make good money, enough to build these bad ass bikes so if you can level it some i bet the numbers will go up. I bet almost all of us that have a bike that would race in your class can afford to make some changes like wheelbase, adding, or taking away weight. i dont think that changing the bike to fit the rules would be a serious issue....

[JP RACIN]

Overall weight a good idea. I'd like to see at least. $200 entry fee where it would be a decent payout. If we're not gonna have the $500 buy in at each race then I will run in outlaw class. I know I can't out run them big gangsters but $200 buy in I might even run the 5.60 bike in it

[WANTSUMSAKI]

Overall weight a good idea. I'd like to see at least. $200 entry fee where it would be a decent payout. If we're not gonna have the $500 buy in at each race then I will run in outlaw class. I know I can't out run them big gangsters but $200 buy in I might even run the 5.60 bike in it

I WAS THINKING $150 BUY IN.
10 BIKES X $150= $1500, $1100 WINNER AND $400 RUNNER UP.
FULL FIELD 16 X $150= $2400, $1700 WINNER AND $700 RUNNER UP.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S TO MUCH FOR SOME PEOPLE TO ENTER.
ALSO WE WILL DO THE $500 SHOOTOUT RACE AT THE LAST RACE EACH YEAR!!!!

ALEX HUGHES

[soupbone57]

I WAS THINKING $150 BUY IN.
10 BIKES X $150= $1500, $1100 WINNER AND $400 RUNNER UP.
FULL FIELD 16 X $150= $2400, $1700 WINNER AND $700 RUNNER UP.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S TO MUCH FOR SOME PEOPLE TO ENTER.
ALSO WE WILL DO THE $500 SHOOTOUT RACE AT THE LAST RACE EACH YEAR!!!!

ALEX HUGHES

Will the rule for the $500 Shootout race next year change, or will it stay the same run what you brung?