OUTLAW/PROSTREET @ TGF???

[teezy]

Alex my suggestion for prostreet/outlaw is too either put the real prostreet rules too it.. 70" run whatever......


...... or do rules kinda like what you talked about with a heavy hitter class only go down too 130lb riders up to 280 plus...


From what I seen noone enters the class for the reasons people stated.. Sure anything could happen but why would I pay $250.00 to run a 5.1X 215lb rider againest a handful of 4.8X 165lb riders..

A idea for some rules to the class

250lb plus...........75"+.. slider allowed
230lb plus...........74" .. slider allowed
210lb plus...........73" .. hand clutch... if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
190lb plus..........72" .. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
170lb plus..........71".. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
150lb plus..........70".. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
130lb plus..........69".. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.


no bars,no slicks,no 2 steps....... Once again just a suggestion..

I personally I enjoying the shit out of my bike whether Im just making passes on it or racing for cheese burgers lol!! I love watching what all of you do and look forward to a kick ass 2013 racing year...

[WANTSUMSAKI]

Alex my suggestion for prostreet/outlaw is too either put the real prostreet rules too it.. 70" run whatever......


...... or do rules kinda like what you talked about with a heavy hitter class only go down too 130lb riders up to 280 plus...


From what I seen noone enters the class for the reasons people stated.. Sure anything could happen but why would I pay $250.00 to run a 5.1X 215lb rider againest a handful of 4.8X 165lb riders..

A idea for some rules to the class

250lb plus...........75"+.. slider allowed
230lb plus...........74" .. slider allowed
210lb plus...........73" .. hand clutch... if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
190lb plus..........72" .. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
170lb plus..........71".. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
150lb plus..........70".. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.
130lb plus..........69".. hand clutch..if slider must be 1-2 inches shorter or 1 inch up in ground clearance.


no bars,no slicks,no 2 steps....... Once again just a suggestion..

I personally I enjoying the shit out of my bike whether Im just making passes on it or racing for cheese burgers lol!! I love watching what all of you do and look forward to a kick ass 2013 racing year...

IF I WERE TO MAKE SOME RULES IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE.
SOMETHING LIKE ADRL, WHERE ALL THEY HAVE TO PASS IS A WEIGHT MINIMUM.
I DON'T HAVE TIME TO CHECK WHEELBASE, AND CLUTCH TYPE AFTER EVERY PASS.

THE WEIGHT MINIMUM, WOULD BE RIDER AND BIKE TOGETHER.
EXAMPLE: BUSA'S AND ZX14'S= 600LBS TOTAL
GSXR 1K'S AND ZX10'S= 500LBS TOTAL
GSXR 1100 AND GS 1100= 550LBS TOTAL

SUPER EASY TO TECH, JUST ROLL ON THE SCALES AFTER EACH PASS.

ALEX HUGHES

[BBCorvette18Punk]

Whats wrong with 2 steps? and for a local series I wouldn't tech after every pass. I'd tech before the bikes make their first pass of the weekend and then only tech someone if something looks fishy or someone protests.

[WANTSUMSAKI]

Whats wrong with 2 steps? and for a local series I wouldn't tech after every pass. I'd tech before the bikes make their first pass of the weekend and then only tech someone if something looks fishy or someone protests.

TWO STEPS AND SLICKS WOULD BE ALLOWED, BECAUSE IT'S A HEADS UP CLASS, AND I DON'T THINK SLICKS MAKE YOU ANY FASTER, THEY JUST MAKE YOU MORE CONSISTANT.

ALEX HUGHES

[GBUSA(G.Sanders)]

AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, I RAN REAL STREE
T FOR TWO YEARS ON A TURBO BUSA AND WON SEVERAL RACES WITH IT, AND SET THE ET AND MPH RECORDS FOR THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, OH BUT I'M SURE YOU KNEW THAT ALREADY.

ALEX HUGHES[/QUOTE]

[BusaLover]

Keep it simple and draw more racers to the sport........we race the same people day in and day out..... going to race at The Rock was a breath of fresh air.....

[WANTSUMSAKI]

IT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW THE BEST OPTION MIGHT BE A SIMPLE WEIGHT MINIMUM.
ONE SIMPLE RULE THAT WILL LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD.

ALEX HUGHES

[Moody]

Mr. Hughes, I would love to start coming down and racing with you guys, but like others have stated if you know the odds are against you there is no incentive to travel...organized rules is a must. Im 192ish not suited, i build my own motors and i know i can make as much power as anyone but with my weight im gona loose everytime, i can stay local and race for the fun of it...weight, wheel base, and street tire. i understand what your saying about a slick making you consistent, but that inconsistency may just be what i need for my big ass to win that race, that and if them light riders would gain some weight they wouldnt have a traction problem, lmao! i dont have much of a traction issue with a street tire, haha. heads up racing is were my passion is in but i cant race it competitively enough, i can loose 100 pounds and im still too heavy. so if im forced to bracket race to be competitive, i will save my time and money and stay local. i will stay tuned in on this subject, and i do want to thank you for everything that you do for the sport, i have nothing but respect for you alex.

[WANTSUMSAKI]

THE GOAL IS NOT ONLY TO HAVE SIMPLE RULES.
IT IS ALSO SO THAT EVERYONE DOESN'T HAVE TO CHANGE THIER BIKES UP TO RUN IN ONE ORGANIZATION.
IF I LIMITED THE WHEELBASE, CLUTCH TYPE, AND TIRE TYPE, SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE TO SPEND ALOT OF $$$ TO GET THEIR BIKE SETUP PROPERLY.
IF ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS MEET A WIEGHT MINIMUM, THEN ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADD OR SUBTRACT WEIGHT FOR YOUR SETUP.
IF EVERYONE HAS TO MEET THE SAME RIDER AND BIKE COMBINED WIEGHT, THEN THAT MAKES IT COMPETITIVE.
IT WORKS FOR THE FASTEST BIKES ON TWO WHEELS, IT CAN WORK FOR US.

ALEX HUGHES

[WANTSUMSAKI]

LET ME EXPLAIN AN EXAMPLE SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I MEAN.

EX: ALEX HUGHES 145LB SUITED + AVERAGE GSXR 1K 400LBS= 545LBS

SUPERDAVE 180LBS SUITED+AVERAGE GSXR 1K 400LBS=580LBS

IF THE GSXR 1K WIEGHT MINIMUM WAS 550LBS, I WOULD HAVE TO ADD 5LBS TO MY BIKE, AND SUPERDAVE COULD LIGHTEN HIS BIKE BY 30LBS.
NOW IF KNOW A CUT UP 1K CAN GET AS LIGHT AS 315LBS, SO THERES PLENTY OF WEIGHT THAT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY.

HOPE THAT HELPS EXPLAIN HOW THAT MAKES IT FAIR.

ALEX HUGHES

[Moody]

ok, weight and street tire. wouldnt have to limit wheelbase then cause the street tire will limit your wheelbase, the heavier you are the longer you will be able to go and still have traction... and wouldnt be hard to tech if its got a dot tire or slick. could still have a separate outlaw for the few that would actually run for the no rule class. no reason the worry about clutch setups, most of use already got rpm driven lockups, my slider didnt make me faster it only made me consistent. the only people that will argue the clutch issue is the people that dont know or havent actually used one

[teezy]

I agree it should be simple.. You shouldnt have to jump through hoops for sure... I understand your example and it makes sense. Only problem I would see is with a 600lb weight min. it make things easy for the light guys and the heavy guys will have to spent $$$$$$ to reduce weight and still not get that light.

Im with you...dont want things to be diffcult at all.... I would like to see races where the bikes are within 1-2 tenths of each other.. What about min weight that everyone agrees on for each bike... zx14's/,etc,etc and hieght. You could have 2 bars or 3 bars that are 2-4"... thats not costing anyone any monies.. If you 130-170 you must have 4" ground clearance,170-210 3" and 220 up 2"... or something along those lines...

Personally I still think a slick should not be allowed. If someone cant afford $150 tire they are in the wrong sport.

[rockytoyota]

Why don't you just make it a 5.0 class...

So you either make your bike faster or slower...

I personally like how you had it but just increase the buy in and try to get a bigger payout...

Just my $0.02

[WANTSUMSAKI]

Why don't you just make it a 5.0 class...

So you either make your bike faster or slower...

I personally like how you had it but just increase the buy in and try to get a bigger payout...

Just my $0.02

I REALLY WANT A HEADS UP CLASS, NOT ANOTHER BRACKET CLASS.
I THINK WITH AS MANY BIKES TEXAS HAS, WE SHOUKD BE ABLE TO DO A HEADS UP CLASS, MAYHE I'M WRONG BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO FIND OUT!!!!!
WHATEVER I DECIDE MIGHT WORK OR MIGHT FAIL, BUT AT LEAST I CAN SAY I TRIED!!

ALEX HUGHES

[rockytoyota]

Well if you start making little guys add weight and ect all your doing is making a bracket class even if it is heads up...

How I'm looking at this is I would be screwed if I race the 750 next year...

There's no way to make everyone happy and I'm no where near complaining about what your doing!

I hear it all the time should of built a bigger bike...